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         <title>Likely Voters and Mid-Term Elections, Part II (The 1934 Mid-Term Election)</title>
         <author>dmoore62&#64;comcast&#46;net (David Moore)</author>
         <description>by David Moore<![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">In my </font><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/likely_voters_and_midterm_elec.php"><font face="Times New Roman">earlier post (Part I)</font></a><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman"> on this subject, I suggested it would be a political miracle if Democrats did not lose U.S. House seats in the 2010 election. A major reason is that in mid-term elections, the voters most likely to turn out are those who are disgruntled with the policies of the incumbent president, rather than his supporters. In fact, since Democrats and Republicans first began competing&nbsp;against each other for Congress in the mid-19th Century, the president's party has lost seats in mid-term elections, relative to the "out" party, all but three times - 1934, 1998 and 2002.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">The two most recent times seem to be special situations that are likely to have little relevance for 2010. The 2002 mid-term election saw the president's party pick up a few seats, probably because the country was still rallying around the flag in reaction to the terrorist attacks the previous year. President Bush's approval rating was still high (Gallup showed it at 68 percent in a poll conducted Nov. 8-10, 2002).<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">And the 1998 mid-term election found voters quite dissatisfied with the Republicans' vote to impeach President Clinton, apparently a major reason why the president's party was able to pick up a few House seats. In both years, the Republicans enjoyed slim majorities, and the changes did not affect their majority control.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">If neither of the two exceptions just noted appear to have much relevance to what might happen in 2010, the third exception (the first chronologically) is a different story. Taking place just two years after President Roosevelt came into office during the Great Depression, the 1934 mid-term election campaign focused largely on the New Deal measures adopted by Congress. The result was a net increase of 9 seats for the president's party - from 313 to 322. Democrats today no doubt hope that a similar debate about the economic stimulus bills and health care reform will be a positive inducement for voters next year.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">That's where the differing poll results - depending on whether the pollsters use "likely voters" or not - provide an interesting story. The latest results (noted in my previous article) suggest the Democrats have an overall lead in the congressional house vote of from six to seven percentage points among the general public or registered voters, but are apparently in a dead heat with Republicans based on likely voters.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">If indeed, the two-party aggregate vote is about even on Election Day, that would almost certainly result in major seat losses for the Democrats, though it's difficult to say how many. The aggregate two party vote (the total voting for Democrats vs. Republicans in the country as a whole) is not a perfect indicator of how well the parties fare in winning House seats. In 2002, for example, the Republicans won 54.1 percent of the two-party vote nationwide, but got 52.6 percent of the House seats. In 2004, they won a smaller percent of the two-party vote (51.4 percent) but picked up three seats, expanding their majority to 53.3 percent of the seats. <o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">In 2006, the Democrats won 54.2 percent of the aggregate vote, and won about the same percentage of House seats - 53.6 percent. Two years later, their share of the national vote increased by only .4 percent (to 54.6 percent), but they gained 21 seats to hold 59.0 percent of the House seats.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Despite the inconsistency between the percentage of the national vote and the percentage of House seats won by the majority party, a tie vote nationally would likely cause the Democrats to lose a significant number of seats. The Democrats beat the Republicans in 2006 and 2008 by about 8 to 9 percentage points. Currently, not many polls suggest the Democrats will win by that margin in 2010.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Of course, with more than a year to go, much can happen to shape the political landscape. No doubt, the most salient domestic issues will be the stimulus bills and health care reform, and no one knows for sure what will happen to the latter. And then there is always the possibility of some major international event that could influence the elections.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Democrats may hope for a repeat of the 1934 mid-term election, but history tells us the circumstances will have to be quite unusual for that to happen. As indicated in Part I, given the expected low turnout, I'd be especially attentive to the preferences of "likely voters." If they indicate a Democratic lead of 8 to 10 points, that would be unusual indeed.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></p>
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         <title>Likely Voters and Mid-Term Elections, Part I</title>
         <author>dmoore62&#64;comcast&#46;net (David Moore)</author>
         <description>by David Moore<![CDATA[It would be a political miracle if the Democrats did not lose seats in the 2010 Congressional elections, yet the polls so far suggest that scenario is doubtful at best. I think it's because most polls are providing a rosier picture for the Democrats by reporting voting intentions of the general public, or registered voters, rather than the much smaller segment of "likely voters" that will ultimately turn out to cast a ballot. <br /><br />That the Democrats will almost certainly lose House seats in 2010 is attested to by several factors. The most important, of course, is that since the advent of the current two party system (Republicans and Democrats), the party of the president almost always loses seats in a mid-term election. The best theory for this phenomenon is that disgruntled people (i.e., those who identify with the "out" party) are more motivated to cast a protest vote than the relatively satisfied people (i.e., those who identify with the party of the president) are to cast a vote of support.<br /><br />The second factor is that, in the wake of the protracted war in Iraq and the sagging economy, Democrats won many seats in 2006 and 2008 that would "normally" go to Republicans. In 2010, with Bush gone and a Democratic administration in charge, Democratic House members in those "normally" Republican seats are going to be quite vulnerable.<br /><br />The final factor is that as a general rule, Republicans are more likely to turn out than Democrats, because Republicans tend to be higher on the socio-economic scale - generally more educated, with higher incomes, and more actively involved in politics than Democrats.<br /><br />So, if all of these reinforcing factors suggest the Republicans are likely to gain seats, why aren't the polls showing that? Here are some interesting recent poll results (see <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/">pollingreport.com</a>):<br /><br /><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Ceric%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></o:smarttagtype><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"></o:smarttagtype><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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  <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 77.65pt;" valign="top" width="104">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">July 31-Aug 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(general public)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
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  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">CNN/Opinion Research Corp<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 79.05pt;" valign="top" width="105">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">44<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 81.95pt;" valign="top" width="109">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">34<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 92.95pt;" valign="top" width="124">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">22<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 60.25pt;" valign="top" width="80">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">+10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
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  <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 77.65pt;" valign="top" width="104">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">July 24-27<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(general public)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 86.95pt;" valign="top" width="116">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">NBC/Wall Street Journal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 79.05pt;" valign="top" width="105">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">46<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 81.95pt;" valign="top" width="109">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">39<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 92.95pt;" valign="top" width="124">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">15<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 60.25pt;" valign="top" width="80">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">+7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
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  <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 77.65pt;" valign="top" width="104">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">July
  22-26<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(likely
  voters)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 86.95pt;" valign="top" width="116">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">NPR/POS
  and GQRR<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 79.05pt;" valign="top" width="105">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">42<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 81.95pt;" valign="top" width="109">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">43<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 92.95pt;" valign="top" width="124">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">15<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 60.25pt;" valign="top" width="80">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-1<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
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  <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 77.65pt;" valign="top" width="104">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">July
  19-23<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(likely
  voters)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 86.95pt;" valign="top" width="116">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">GWU
  - Tarrance/Lake<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 79.05pt;" valign="top" width="105">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">43<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 81.95pt;" valign="top" width="109">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">40<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 92.95pt;" valign="top" width="124">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">17<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 60.25pt;" valign="top" width="80">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><b style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">+3<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">July 9-13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(registered voters)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 86.95pt;" valign="top" width="116">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Diageo/Hotline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 79.05pt;" valign="top" width="105">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">39<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 81.95pt;" valign="top" width="109">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">32<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 92.95pt;" valign="top" width="124">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">30<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 60.25pt;" valign="top" width="80">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">+7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
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  <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 77.65pt;" valign="top" width="104">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">July 10-12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">(registered voters)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 86.95pt;" valign="top" width="116">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Gallup</span></st1:city></st1:place><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 79.05pt;" valign="top" width="105">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">50<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 81.95pt;" valign="top" width="109">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">44<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 92.95pt;" valign="top" width="124">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
  <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color black black -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt; width: 60.25pt;" valign="top" width="80">
  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">+6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
  </td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

Note that there is little difference in the lead that polls show for Democrats when the sample is either the general public or registered voters - from six to ten percentage points. However, the two polls that reported results based on "likely voters" show essentially a dead heat (a 3-point Democratic lead or a one-point Republican lead).<br /><br />Nate Silver (at <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/">fivethirtyeight.com</a>) suggests caution in relying on likely voter models this early in the 2010 campaign. Generally, I agree that early polls - especially in specific races (as opposed to the more general generic ballots reported above) - need to be viewed with caution. Many people are undecided 10 to 12 months ahead of the election, though some pollsters obscure that fact by using a forced choice format. See, for example, the contrast between Diageo/Hotline and Gallup above, the former showing 30 percent of registered voters undecided, Gallup showing just 7 percent.<br /><br />Furthermore, different polling organizations use different screeners to arrive at their presumed "likely voters," some more "aggressive" than others. So, it's difficult to make direct comparisons with polls showing different leads, even if they base their results on likely voters, rather than registered voters or the general public.<br /><br />That said, I would argue that in general we get a more realistic view of the general sentiment of voters, if the sample has been screened fairly tightly to produce a relatively small segment of likely voters rather than a much larger group of people - the general public or even "registered voters." In mid-term elections, turnout is only about half or so of turnout in presidential elections. Thus, screening out the non-voters is much more sensitive for understanding mid-term elections than presidential elections.<br /><br />So, contrary to Nate Silver's advice, I would suggest that when polls diverge, one based on likely voters is probably a better reflection of the actual electorate than a poll based on the general population or even registered voters.<br /><br />(In Part II I will discuss the exceptions to the general rule that the president's party loses House seats in mid-term elections, and whether those exceptions are relevant to 2010.)<br />]]></description>
         <link>http://www.pollster.com/blogs/likely_voters_and_midterm_elec.php</link>
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         <category>2010</category>
         <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:41:05 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Not Seeing the Forest for the Trees: Important Lessons from a SurveyUSA Experiment</title>
         <author>dmoore62&#64;comcast&#46;net (David Moore)</author>
         <description>by David Moore<![CDATA[<font face="Times New Roman" color="#000000" size="3">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">In a recent conversation with Jay Leve, founder and head of SurveyUSA, I was alerted to a split sample telephone survey experiment he conducted last October in the San Francisco Bay Area. It was on the subject of the government's plan to bailout or rescue Wall Street. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Though the experiment dealt with an issue that <a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/what_the_bailout_polls_really.php"><font color="#800080">is so last year (!)</font></a>, I'm writing about it now because it demonstrates how questions about specific policy plans can produce misleading results about the public's views of the broader issue - a classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">SurveyUSA Experiment<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><a href="http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=263d18c9-f599-4e74-9799-7a9e02d53128"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal"><font color="#800080">Jay tested four different ways</font></span></a></i></b> of phrasing the bailout question, and <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">each one </i>found mixed to slightly negative results. But then two follow-up questions starkly contradicted these results to suggest a clear majority of the public was supportive of the bailout efforts.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">While the SurveyUSA experiment tested four different ways of wording the bailout issue, three are rigorously comparable, and so I mention them first. I'll come back to the implications of the fourth version later in this post.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Each of the following questions was asked of a split sample of just over 500 respondents: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt; COLOR: black; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">The government may invest billions to try and keep financial institutions and markets secure. Do you think this is the right thing for the government to do? The wrong thing for the government to do? Or, do you not know enough to say?<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt; COLOR: black; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">The government may spend billions to bail-out Wall Street. Do you think this is the right thing for the government to do? The wrong thing for the government to do? Or, do you not know enough to say?<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 6pt; COLOR: black; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">The government may spend billions to rescue Wall Street. Do you think this is the right thing for the government to do? The wrong thing for the government to do? Or, do you not know enough to say?<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">TABLE 1<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Results of Three Versions of Bailout Question<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">"Right or Wrong Thing to Do?"</b></p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Right</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Wrong</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">No Opinion</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">N</p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">%</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">A. Invest billions to keep markets secure</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">39</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">37</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">24</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">532</p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">B. Spend billions to bail out Wall Street</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">40</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">42</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">18</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">533</p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">C. Spend billions to rescue Wall Street</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">34</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">46</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">20</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">523</p></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Was the Public Ambivalent?<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">With these results, one would have to conclude that the public was at best ambivalent toward a bailout or rescue of Wall Street. Given the sample sizes, Form A results are significantly different from those in Form C, suggesting "rescue" is the most negative way to phrase the issue and "invest" is the most positive way.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">But then come two additional questions that throw a completely different light on the issue. The question below taps into a general feeling about the issue, and finds that people <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">seem </i>to want Congress to do something - and that they're more afraid Congress will do too little than too much. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">More Afraid Congress Will Under-react Than Over-react<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Too Much</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Too </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Little</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">No Opinion</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">N</p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="COLOR: black">What concerns you more: that the government will do too much to fix the economy? Or, that the government will do too little?</span></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">32</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">58</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">11</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">2100</p></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The problem with comparing the above question to the other three is that this one doesn't explicitly allow for "no opinion," while the first three questions do. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Public Supports Bailout<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">But the next question <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">is </i>comparable in offering an explicit "don't know" response, and it also suggests that a clear majority of the public wants Congress to do <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">something.</i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Should Congress Support <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">SOME</i> Economic Rescue Effort?<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">FOR</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">AGAINST</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">No Opinion</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">N</p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">%</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="COLOR: black">Do you want your representative in Congress to vote FOR an economic rescue? To vote against an economic rescue? Or, do you not know enough to say?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">54</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">30</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">16</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">2100</p></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Note that despite offering an explicit "or don't you know enough to say" option,&nbsp;this question shows a clear majority in favor, with only 30 percent opposed.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Had we depended on only the first three questions, which were asked of separate split samples, for our understanding of the public, we might well have concluded that whether it was "bailout" or "rescue" or "invest," the public was either evenly divided about a bailout or leaning against such an effort. But these last two questions suggest that less than a third of the public was opposed to an economic rescue/bailout plan in principle, while a clear, though small, majority (54 percent) of people were in favor.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">New Complications<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">When we look at the results of the fourth version of the split sample experiment, we find even <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">more </i>support for some type of rescue plan. This version included three substantive options (compared with just two for the other three versions - which is why I'm treating this question differently from the first three versions), followed by the explicit option of not expressing an opinion.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">TABLE 4<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Fourth Version of Bailout Question<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Pass this plan</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Pass different</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Plan</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">Take no action</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">No Opinion</p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">N</p></td></tr>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="COLOR: black">Congress is working on a plan to buy and re-sell up to 700 billion dollars of mortgages. What would you like the Congress to do? Pass this plan? Pass a different plan? Take no action? Or, do you not know enough to say? </span></p></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center">512</p></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">This version shows the least support for the current plan, but its second option - to pass a "different" plan - suggests that more than seven in 10 respondents are in favor of <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">some </i>rescue plan (31 percent the current plan, plus 40 percent for a different plan). These results also suggest that only 13 percent (rather than 30 percent as shown in Table 3) are opposed to some kind of effort.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Important Lessons<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">These results, based on a telephone survey in the San Francisco Bay Area, demonstrate how variable the survey results can be - even when the survey is about an issue that is the subject of much media attention. The first three versions of the bailout question could reasonably be interpreted to suggest that the Bay Area public was either ambivalent or negative about <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">any </i>bailout plan, while the question reported in Table 3 gives the opposite impression - that the same public was in fact looking for some action by the federal government. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The important lesson: <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Sometimes, asking about specific plans can blind us to the larger issue of whether some type of action is still desired.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The last question reaffirms that when questions have two options in favor of a policy (pass the current plan, or pass a different one) and one against (take no action), the "opinion" that is measured can be quite different from when a question has just one option in favor of a policy and one opposed. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The last question can also be interpreted to have two options <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">against </i>the "current" plan - only one option says pass the current plan, while two options are against it (pass a different plan, and take no action). </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">This doesn't mean that three options should never be offered. The example does reaffirm, however, that the more options that are offered in general, the less similar the results will be to questions that offer only two options.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Note: My thanks to SurveyUSA's Jay Leve for pointing me to his very insightful experiment. </p>
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         <title>Dispatches: Trusting What People Say in Polls</title>
         <author>dmoore62&#64;comcast&#46;net (David Moore)</author>
         <description>by David Moore<![CDATA[<p><em>This post is part of Pollster.com's <a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/dispatches/">week-long series</a> on Stan Greenberg's new book,</em> <ahref="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/greenbergs_dispatches_from_the.php">Dispatches from the War Room</a>.</p>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dispatches-War-Room-Trenches-Extraordinary/dp/0312351526/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1233245940&amp;sr=8-1"><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Dispatches.jpg" src="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/Dispatches.jpg" width="240" height="240" class="mt-image-right" style="float: right; margin: 0 0 20px 20px;" /></span></a>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">I'm pleased to join this conversation and to have received Stan Greenberg's book, which is a fascinating insider's look at the way polls were used in five major situations. It's great history by itself, and I would strongly recommend the book to any one at all interested in current events and/or the role of polling consultants in public policy. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">I have several comments I would like to make at some point, but this one will focus on one issue raised by </font><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/greenbergs_dispatches_from_the.php"><font size="3" color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">Mark Blumenthal</font></a><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> and subsequently addressed by </font><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/greenberg_responds.php"><font size="3" color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">Greenberg</font></a><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> himself.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Mark pointed to Greenberg's query at one point in the book, where the author asked how much he could trust his own polls on public policy matters. To make it easier for the reader to follow this conversation, I will reproduce what Mark wrote:</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">...the most candid observation from the book concerns Greenberg's admission that his focus groups and polls misled him on the question of whether Israeli voters would ever accept a division of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:city></st1:place>. At first, two-thirds of voters in his surveys said "it was unacceptable to have a Palestinian state with its capital in <st1:place w:st="on">East Jerusalem</st1:place>." When Greenberg "saw no movement" when he presented arguments for the division in surveys, and voters "nearly cried" in focus groups, insisting that dividing <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:city></st1:place> would be "like taking away your beloved child," <i style="">Greenberg advised his client that such a policy was a "dead end.</i>" [emphasis added]</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Yet four weeks after Ehud Barak put that option on the bargaining table at Camp David, despite a negative approval rating and strong opposition in parliament, a majority of Israelis were ready to "go with him" on Jerusalem in Greenberg's polling. Thus Greenberg raises a critical question:</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 1in 0pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">If I cannot believe what people tell me is unacceptable in my surveys on <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:city>, then what of my findings on other subjects? Why can't a determined leader change these too?</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 1in 0pt; background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"></font>&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Greenberg's question about the changeability of public opinion is an important one, because much of what polls present to us today are measures of public opinions that appear to be firm - when in fact we know that for many people, polls measure only the most ephemeral of views. What's lacking in most polls are any measures of intensity. </font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">My question to Greenberg would be how intensely did the poll respondents feel about the "unacceptable" response they gave to the interviewers? Greenberg gives no indication that he measured it, though he did get an idea of intensity in the focus groups when participants "nearly cried" about the proposed division of <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:city>. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Still, as we know, focus groups are poor indicators of general public opinion. The people who are willing to participate are no doubt more engaged in issues than people who can't be bothered (or paid) to participate, and the focus group experience itself can be intense - making the participants completely unrepresentative of the general population.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Greenberg is, of course, quite aware of such limits, readily acknowledging them in his book. Still, as we all know, it's very difficult to ignore numbers and visceral experiences even when we know they are technically unrepresentative of the larger population. The high emotion of the focus group participants could well have made it seem impossible that voters at large could change their minds. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">In a series of experiments that Jeff Jones and I designed while I was at <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gallup</st1:place></st1:city>,</font><a title="" style="" href="http://www.pollster.com/mt-static/html/editor-content.html?cs=utf-8#_edn1" name="_ednref1"><span class="MsoEndnoteReference"><span style=""><span class="MsoEndnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> we discovered that on any given issue about 40 percent to 60 percent of the public had a "permissive" opinion. Though many people may have initially&nbsp;expressed a preference for a policy (saying that they either favored or opposed it), those with a "permissive" opinion then admitted (in response to a follow-up question) that they would not be "upset" if the government did the opposite of what they had just said. This does not mean that later on, once a policy has been implemented, those same people will not hold the leaders accountable if it doesn't work. But it does mean that political leaders have tremendous leeway in what they initially decide to do.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">And it also means that on most public policy issues, leaders can probably do pretty much what they want to without being held accountable.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Greenberg refers to that phenomenon when he talks about the importance of public opinion to legislators (p. 395). "The fundamental lesson is that people matter because elections matter. You could only think otherwise if you haven't spent any time close to elected officials or candidates for office...The antics of the Republicans in <st1:state w:st="on">Washington</st1:state> over the past decade seemed to challenge that presumption when they ignored overwhelming public sentiment on <st1:city w:st="on">Clinton</st1:city>'s impeachment, taxes, and the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> war, and escaped accountability at the polls."</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">What I'm suggesting here is that the "overwhelming public sentiment" described by Greenberg was not, in fact, overwhelming. The polls are misleading us. Such sentiments as Greenberg mentions may be widespread, but thinly anchored. And whether we like it or not, from a democratic point of view, it means that politicians can often get away with ignoring what appears to be a public consensus. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">The Iraq War is a good example, though on the opposite side of the issue from what Greenberg is discussing. Did Americans "overwhelmingly" support the war before President Bush launched it? The polls all said yes, by about two-to-one margins or greater. And it would appear that most Democratic Senators, who might have been expected to oppose the war, were influenced by these polls to support the war resolution. But Jeff Jones and I discovered that after measuring intensity on that issue, in fact the public was evenly divided - three in ten strongly supporting the war, three in ten strongly opposed, and a plurality - four in ten - with a "permissive" opinion (not upset either if the United States went to war or didn't go to war). How different the political climate in <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Washington</st1:place></st1:state> might have been had this picture of public opinion prevailed, instead of the erroneous depiction of a public hankering for war.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">While Gallup has not measured intensity on this issue recently (nor have other pollsters), I suspect that even when it comes to withdrawing troops - which Bush refused to do - the public is more divided than unified. The point is that the public is much more in the middle of an issue, and thus willing to defer to its leaders, than the polls tell us, because most polls ignore the intensity with which people hold their poll-expressed views.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">In the conclusion to his book, Greenberg writes that despite his ability, post hoc, to explain why his poll results about <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:city> might have misled him (p. 422), </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">...it does not change the question I now must face whenever I see a survey result that sets such dramatic limits on what is possible. How do you know that people will not rethink their starting points? How do you know they will not be moved by a deliberative process that thinks about the problem in new ways?...How do you know you won't discourage a less fearless leader from chancing to be bold?</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">I do not have an answer to this question, other than to constantly remind myself that opinion is changeable, that I must always simulate changing circumstances, and that I should be wary of telling a leader the public will not join him or her in this.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><o:p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Like Greenberg, I think there is a much larger portion of the public in the middle of any given issue than might be at first assumed - and that we find reflected in most current polls. It's a point that </font><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/dispatches_thoughts_from_a_you.php"><font size="3" color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">Kristen Soltis</font></a><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman"> makes in a different way when she praises Morris Fiorina's <em>Culture War?: The Myth of a Polarized Electorate.</em><em><span style="font-style: normal;"> <o:p></o:p></span></em></font></font></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">In a follow-up commentary about Greenberg's book, </font><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/re_dispatches_part_3.php"><font size="3" color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">Blumenthal <span style="">&nbsp;</span>wrote</font></a><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> that "public opinion will ultimately limit or control the extent to which policy makers can affect change and achieve their goals, and a wise wonk will want to study public opinion -- both as it exists now and where political leaders can move it in the future." </font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">But political leaders need realistic measures of such opinion. Crucial to that goal is measuring not only the direction of the public's preference, but the intensity with which people hold their views - and thus their potential willingness to be influenced by their political leaders. </font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Greenberg's <i style="">Dispatches </i>is a testament to the importance of this dimension of public opinion so often ignored by our major media polls.</font></p>
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         <title>&quot;Reaction&quot; Polling</title>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">In his post on <a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/hired_gun_polling_and_card_che.php"><font color="#800080">"Hired Gun" Polling</font></a>, Mark Blumenthal suggests the need for pollsters to "distinguish between questions that measure <em>pre-existing</em> opinions and those that measure reactions." </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">He makes an important point. Much of what pollsters offer to the world as "public opinion" is in reality hypothetical, based on giving respondents information that many in the general public may not have and then immediately asking respondents for their reaction to that information.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Such results can be illuminating, but pollsters recognize that feeding respondents information means the sample no longer represents the American public and what Mark calls its "pre-existing" opinion. Unfortunately, many pollsters fail to acknowledge the hypothetical nature of such results, and instead treat them as though they represent the current state of the public's views.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The problem with this kind of approach is illustrated in the case that Mark discussed in his post, dealing with the "card check" bill, the proposed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_Free_Choice_Act"><span style="COLOR: #336699; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">Employee Free Choice Act</span></a> (EFCA) concerning&nbsp;the authorization of unions in the workplace. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The vast majority of Americans, one can reasonably assume, have little to no knowledge of the provisions of the bill. Thus, to measure "public opinion" on the issue, pollsters feel they need to tell respondents what the bill is all about. A Republican pollster explained the bill one way, a Democratic pollster another way, and - to no one's surprise - they ended up with a "public opinion" that reflected their respective party's position on the issue. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">While one may argue the relative merits of the questions used by the two pollsters, the main point is that informing the public of any major policy proposal is intrinsically biased. Pollsters have&nbsp;to decide what is important among all the various elements of the proposal, and they can often come up with quite different conclusions. This problem applies to public policy pollsters as well, who - we can reasonably assume - have no partisan agenda, but who nevertheless can produce what appear to be partisan results.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Such problems have multiplied with the recent public policy polling on the bailout proposals for Wall Street and for the auto industry, and on the stimulus plan being considered by Congress. Most pollsters assume the public has little specific knowledge of such proposals, and thus pollsters provide respondents specific information to measure the public's (hypothetical) reaction to the proposal. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">When CNN <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/business.htm"><font color="#800080">described the proposal</font></a> to bailout the auto industry by characterizing it as "loans in order to prevent them from going into bankruptcy," in exchange for which the companies would produce plans "that show how they would become viable businesses in the long run," it found a 26-point margin in favor (63 percent to 37 percent). But when an ABC/<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Washington Post</i> poll only a few days earlier <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/business.htm"><font color="#800080">had mentioned the word "bailout"</font></a> in its question and did not refer to plans leading to the companies becoming viable, the poll showed a 13-point majority against the proposal (55 percent to 42 percent).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Again, one can debate the relative merits of the two questions, but the tendency of pollsters is to say that each set of results provides different insights into the dynamics of the public's views on this matter. In short, each provides a picture of <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">potential </i>public reaction to the proposal, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">if the proposal is framed to the general public in the way each polling organization presented the issue to its respondents. <o:p></o:p></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">That distinction is generally lost in the news reports. Each polling organization instead announces its results as though they reflect the current views of the public, over which the polling organization had no influence. But the reality is that the polling organization <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">inevitably </i>shapes its results by the very way it presents the issue to respondents. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">As Mark argues, such "reaction" polling has a useful role to play in the public discourse on public opinion. However, it's also important that pollsters make clear that their results do not reflect "pre-existing" opinion (opinion before the polls were conducted - though one might instead use the word "extant" opinion), but rather hypothetical opinion under restricted conditions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It used to be that newspapers made a formal distinction between "hard news" articles and "analysis" articles - clearly labeling the latter as such. That procedure doesn't seem to be followed these days, but it may be a useful analogous model for pollsters. Perhaps, in a similar way, pollsters can devise a method to formally separate their reports of potential "reaction" public opinion from existing public opinion. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I can envision, for example, one article in a newspaper that describes how many (or how few) people are actually aware of an issue and how many express ambivalence about the matter, while another article could explicitly describe how the public might react if the issue were universally framed in one way or another. Pollsters have made such distinctions sporadically, which is why we know that the public is more likely to support "rescuing" the auto industry than "bailing it out." </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Still, the need for a formal and widely accepted method of distinguishing "reaction" questions from those that measure existing opinion needs to be found, if pollsters are to avoid the confusion that occurs when highly reputable polls produce wildly contradictory results.</p>
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         <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:36:24 -0500</pubDate>
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